Monday, February 4, 2013

Banned from Catholic Answers...AGAIN!! (oops)

ENOUGH ALREADY. Use this Reddit forum: Banned from CAF,  if you want to leave a post for friends, talk about what happened or find others who's question, ideas or interpretations were repressed. Or just to talk about what you really want to talk about in our struggle to follow Christ.




I can't say I thought I was disregarding what Mr. Casey said, but I was pretty sure that a different post I made might be skating on thin ice so I reported my own post. I was kinda surprised I got banned for this one.  But whatever, not my forum and if he felt I ignored him, well, I'm pretty sure even if I had thought it was wrong I was asking the question, anyway.  So, I cannot complain. Here's the thread, BTW: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=743968

What's always too bad is they take out the post and the response.  I had to ask Mr "Lines and Numbers" (numealinesimpet) the question twice before he'd answer it.

His answer was: "OH, YES, OF COURSE, AND I'D BE WILLING TO DIE BEFORE I DENIED IT."

(That's a paraphrase and he didn't use all caps but it did have an eye-rolling amount of drama.)

So why would I push the question even if I had known it would get me a ban?  Because he is posting with this huge agenda, pushing the ideas of the SSPX, attacking Papal authority over the Church, trying to undermine it pretty much completely and reduce the Pope to some guy who makes "Faith and morals" pronouncements and everyone else can pretty much ignore him and do as they please.

As the poster presents himself as an SSPX "insider" who knows all the major players personally and has the inside scoop on what's going on, I took him at face-value and wanted to know just what game the SSPX is playing. And if I had to fall on my sword to do it (or, well, maybe stub my toe a little) it was worth it, as far as I'm concerned.  That thread has almost 800 posts, but it has about 24,400 views.  That's a ratio of over 30-1,  far in excess of the 8-1 lurker to poster that is standard for forum threads. And knowing the SSPX agenda is critical to good discernment by so many interested parties. 

It's fairly diabolical, IMO, and while we can use that phrase in the vernacular, I am using it in Saint Paul's sense of the Devil disguised as an angel of light - by which he meant people will claim, and may believe, they are preaching the Truth of Christ when they are just speaking Satan's lies.

2 Cor 11:13-15 For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, who masquerade as apostles of Christ.  And no wonder, for even Satan masquerades as an angel of light.  So it is not strange that his ministers also masquerade as ministers of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

The SSPX is walking a thin line, but a line of demarcation well-understood: as long as they acknowledge the Pope is the Pope, they stay in the Church, even though they have completely ignored every single one of his orders.  Every.  One.  The SSPX also knows it is not the practice of the Vatican to take a fight to the public.  They have no publicity spinners.  But the SSPX have made it their bread and butter, to tell "their side:" and to convince a lot of people too arrogant to admit their own ignorance that somehow, the Pope and all his true Magisterium are just, well, too dumb to know how the Church works.  

(If anyone wants to discuss this in-depth, please comment below.)

I am absolutely sure the man (and most of the laity who are loyal to the SSPX) is very earnest and has allowed himself to be convinced that he is a soldier in the Church Militant fighting to protect the Faith from evil influence.  sigh  And God will appreciate his efforts if not his outcome, and be merciful, I am sure.  Hey, he's probably fighting harder than I am even if he is under the influence of a dangerous schismatic cult.

Yup, I said the words: SCHISMATIC CULT.

After he made his "die for the Pope" speech, the poster could hardly wait to launch into the story of where the SSPX is going next.

The SSPX is going to take over American Samoa.  

No, I'm not joking.  The whole place is one big Diocese and apparently they "converted" the Bishop who has ordered everyone to receive the Eucharist on the tongue and kneeling.  (I have no idea if this is true, I am just reporting what he said.) Since about 90% of the population is Catholic, I guess Michael Voris will finally get his  Catholic Dictatorship, as soon as the SSPX moves there and starts telling everyone who to vote for and what books to read and movies to watch.

The problem is Fatima.  The SSPX loves to toss around the Fatima prophecies as if the Blessed Mother supports their position.  Here's the problem with that.  She said that in Portugal the dogma of the Faith would always be preserved.

I don't recall Sister Lucy reporting Our Lady saying a single thing about American Samoa.

Nice looking place, though.  I hope our Irish SSPX fan has much SPF 800 in his suitcase.

And watches out for sharks.

44 comments:

  1. Plenty of us have been banned from Catholic Answers Forum (CAF)

    One moderator Robert Bay is particularly trigger happy with regard to banning people, especially those who have the temerity to seek clarification for infractions incurred.

    Count being banned from CAF as a badge of honour

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  2. I think of it as more a rite of passage. ;-)

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  3. It is a right of passage.
    Robert Bray is particularly zealous in banning all comments that are "unamerican".
    Thomas Casey seems to have it in for those who express support for Traditional Catholicism

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  4. Just got banned for contempt of CC A poster asked me why i should care abput jewsih theology which I was bringing up sinc the jews killed Christ .I said the question FELT anti semitic but i understood and continued to answer that Jesus was a jew and indeed CC and all churches are built or come from Jewish root/branch .That was it ,i was out of there.And i had been good for such a long time.Learned a lot but the lord may want me to place my time elsewhere,perhaps blogging is much vain disputation.By the way ,i stuck to "non-catholic" threads. Sorry folks ,blessings to all.

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  5. Hey, pocohombre, I just got banned, too! Guess by who? Right, the first time! I had the gall to appeal an infraction imposed by Bay. I guess I should be upset, but really, they were some of the nastiest people that I have ever met. I can't count how many times that I was told that I was in mortal sin, going to hell, in league with the devil, blah, blah, blah. Maybe it's me, but I found myself agreeing more with the agnostics and atheists than with my fellow Catholics! They seemed so much more sane...

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  6. Hello NeedsMercy,

    Those people are NOT our "fellow Catholics." You have to follow Jesus Christ to be Catholic, or at least try to. The people you are talking about have invented their own Church." The whole place is am arm of Opus Dei, the group trying to take over the Church from within. Our Pope Francis is a delight and a Godsend and like his namesake, we hope, will save us.

    Some atheists are surely much closer to Christ than many screaming "Lord, Lord" on CAF. Certainly they are more Catholic than Robert Bay.

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  7. NeedsMercy...is that you? If I remember correctly, we've chatted before on CAF, even via private mail (my CAF name is/was gracepoole). I haven't been banned yet but I expect to be any day. I'm suspended and I dared to challenge the suspension because (surprise, surprise) it makes no logical sense. And yes, the suspension came from the same mod. If you've been banned, I'm going to see it as a sign that I should abandon CAF on my own.

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  8. I haven't read the rest of this site, and I haven't been banned from CAF, but wow what an eye opener to hear from those of you who have been banned. I have "left" CAF twice before bc I was so frustrated with the judgments and self righteousness I found there. And whenever I tried to preface my post with an appeal for kindness and open mindedness as I tread lightly introducing various questions, I often got attacked for clearly being anti Catholic and "just wanting to hear what I wanted to hear". Um, yes, all I wanted to hear was respectful replies. Sigh. I'm going to have to look around this site some more now :-)

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  9. Hi Karolina (and others):

    Yeah it's a real eye-opener. There is a lot of judgment/self-righteousness, as you said. I'll look around here too. How's the baby?

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  10. Have never been banned but have commented on some threads that were subsequently closed. Nothing at all offensive-just some good natured back and forth with other posters. What I do find offensive is the endless sexually related threads on those forums-I don't read them but from their titles, they mostly seem to be from trolls. The holy than thou attitude there just rubs me the wrong way.

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  11. Metaphysical CatholicNovember 12, 2014 at 10:14 PM

    It's the censorship that bothers me. The truth doesn't fear the light. In Jesus' time, the Pharisees hated what He said so much, they banned people from the Temple if they followed Him. Jesus didn't ban and shun and tell people what to think. I wish I had the money and internet savvy to start a forum where Catholics can meet and speak and think and question and support and disagree. We have to fight for Christ ourselves. Love one another. Feed the hungry. Refuse to hate. Follow Jesus. Follow our Pope Francis.

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  12. I got banned from Defenders of the Catholic Faith for defending my self against the accusation that I sinned when I lied about my religion. I live in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and in the 1970s I was in a Protestant/Loyalist area and was confronted by thugs who asked me if I was a Catholic. I said no, because I wanted to go home to my family and friends in one piece. The extremists on the Catholic message board, including a priest, accused me of committing a sin, and some of them (not the priest) were so rude and abusive towards me in attacking me, that the moderator locked the thread. When I strated a new thread to defend myself against the accusation - pointing out that the Catholic Catechism states that "“The right to the communication of the truth is not unconditional. Everyone must conform his life to the Gospel precept of fraternal love. This requires us in concrete situations to judge whether or not it is appropriate to reveal the truth to someone who asks for it.” and “No one is bound to reveal the truth to someone who does not have the right to know it.”, I was banned for ever without warning. I think boards like that do a lot more harm than good.

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  13. If anyone is interested in reading the thread on the board to which I refer, here it is:
    http://forums.catholic-convert.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=157101&start=620

    torn is me

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  14. Metaphysical CatholicNovember 21, 2014 at 11:31 PM

    Not everyone who says, 'Lord, Lord' will see the Kingdom of God.

    Lots of Pharisees about today. Mostly financed by Opus Dei. Let it go. We are Catholic because we have chosen Him and He us. Time to pray for your enemies and find someone to feed.

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  15. I'm another Catholic Answers casualty--they wiped out the Book Review Group I set up, and also several other Group forums where I posted. I'm not so angry as disappointed, and puzzled, because I saw so many people get banned who I thought were sincere and intelligent
    I wonder if the problem is of hostility by Mystics against Scholastics and Rationalists?
    Eschator83

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    1. These are the kinds of things that slash that site.

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  16. Catholic Answers Forums has some serious issues with moderation. In my experience the moderators are either too heavy-handed or absent. I actually got a message from a moderator about a post I made over A MONTH ago. Also, some of the, ahem, "feedback" I've gotten suggests they don't even carefully read the posts.
    While I appreciate the fact that trolls and those suffering from teen angst don't *usually* last long, thanks on occasion to yours truly, the fact remains that CAF Forums needs VAST improvement.

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  17. Metaphysical CatholicFebruary 24, 2015 at 10:15 AM

    I wonder if the problem is of hostility by Mystics against Scholastics and Rationalists?
    Eschator83


    I don't think that could be, unless they are some odd brand of "mystic." Being a bit mystic myself, according to a priest I once knew, freedom of expression, finding one's own path are respected ideas.

    I'm no longer on the site, but my experience is that there is a small group of posters who consider themselves "enforcers" of a sort and they are the ones complaining to the Moderator when they believe someone is liable to lead others off the straight-and-narrow.

    Always remember that CAF is an Opus Dei "ministry" - though like so many things OD, done secretly. And the goal of Opus Dei, according to the constitution Escriva wrote, is to take over the Church.

    People who don't toe the uber-conservative OD party line, are ejected from the body.

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  18. I guess I can sense pretty clearly your hostility to conservatives/rationalists.
    It reminds me of Ben 16's comment in "Faith and the Future (1971):" "The Church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning." Can this be what mystics want? Do they really want the End of the age? Have you blogged about this?
    Eschator83

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    1. I guess I can sense pretty clearly your hostility to conservatives/rationalists.
      It reminds me of Ben 16's comment in "Faith and the Future (1971):" "The Church will become small and will have to start afresh more or less from the beginning." Can this be what mystics want? Do they really want the End of the age? Have you blogged about this?


      You "guess you can sense my hostility?" I'm not sure we sense very well online,what with the lack of voice and tone. The Church becoming small and starting afresh is not the end of the Age. It's just evolution. Do I want this? I want to be oned with God. What do you want?

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  19. I'd like to see Christians uniting to seek righteousness, freedom, and security, and to oppose evil.
    It seems more likely to begin if we would stop bashing one another.
    Eschator83

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    1. You won't always find that at CAF. Too many users and evidently site staff in some cases have fallen for the perpetual offense bug. Because CAF is international, I wonder if folks outside the West even understand that. It could be a real headache for them.

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  20. I frequent the CAFs quite often, with over 29,000 posts. I have never been banned, nor suspended.

    I have found the moderators there to be quite fair and sanguine.

    But then again, I think I post with great charity.
    PRmerger

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    1. And extraordinary humility, obviously.

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    2. And as regards this post: http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=12945796#post12945796 I am *not* banned from CAF. The above suspension was in effect for a very short time. You might want to post a correction. I did note that no one answered you. Perhaps later.

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    3. The problem with moderators is that too many of them are too hard or too light. There is not much of a balance. Also, I think some of them think it's their mission to make users better posters---which is a TERRIBLE idea if they are just volunteers.

      As a service unit, CAF really is lacking in professionalism from top to bottom on the FORUMS. the Jimmy Akin stuff is really good and I've heard good things about radio, but I'd never ask openly for advice on that place with personal situations. Instead, I'd PM members whom I think would help.

      The heavy-handed moderating and the dubious excuses made administration to cover their tracks has back-fired in the worst way possible. The amount of complaints about that site on-line should be a red flag for their marketing team, but it looks like arrogance is in play.

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  21. I got banned from CAF as well. I consider it a relief. Need to stay away from toxic wells. Probably rightly so as I suggested that a woman to whom pregnancy was life threatening and NFP was not reliable should have the freedom to follow her conscience whether it agreed with church teaching or not. That is an absolute no, no. The theology on sex I find there is very unhealthy.

    I wanted to comment on PRMerger though. I clearly remember being in a thread with this poster about why people go to evangelical churches and the thread was closed due to a lack of charity. PRMerger was one of the main posters in this thread and I found him to be very uncharitable.

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    1. Yes, "toxic" appropriately describes a great deal of what is preached on CAF. It's essentially the perfect example of the devil disguising himself as an angel of Light.

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    2. It boggles my mind that it is the largest Catholic site in the world. It claims to follow the narrow way but I don't think it is the narrow way Jesus intended.

      One of their apologists answered a question re: kissing before marriage and said it was a sin and should not be done. There is alot of extreme thinking.

      I was always intrigued by the threads on marriage in family life. Oh and the threads in moral theology about how you are going to hell if you miss mass.

      There is not much space for questioning or honest dissent. Or much compassion and fruits of the spirit.

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    3. Not only is there little space for questioning or honest dissent, there isn't much space for preaching the Gospel. Quoting Christ on not judging, on compassion or feeding the poor often brings about categorical statements about what He meant or a round of Citation Battleship with out of context quotes to "prove" the things He actually thought were sins, aren't.

      It's insidious. As for being the largest site, that's the Opus Dei effect. If you are affiliated in any way, you are supposed to be on CAF. They pay to make sure if you Google "Catholic," CAF is the top or one of the top three results.

      CAF is not the Church. At least, not anymore than you are.

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    4. Missing Mass without a good reason is a grave matter.

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    5. I'm curious. Why did you post anonymously? If you are here to stand up for something you believe is true, something you think the Church insists on, why are you afraid to be seen? We don't hide our light under a basket, remember?

      I'll tell you what grave matters are: Self-righteousness. Pride. Judgement. I know this because my Lord and my God told me so.

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  22. Actually, PRmerger is a woman. (?)

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  23. The idea that Catholic Answers and Opus Dei are linked is interesting to hear. What is your evidence for that?

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    1. Providing evidence would out several people on the forum and I'm not doing that. But it's not hard to figure out for yourself if you look. I once drew all these connections and found I was spending a lot of time thinking about the evil in the Church that is OD. So, I don't do it, anymore.

      What you will note is that they have never, ever, denied it. If you care, try searching the term. You'll see. The fact is, no one ever banned me for any so-called infractions. They banned me because I went after OD. I moved on. It's someone else's fight now. But I'll never stop saying it if for no other reason than someone has to. Out loud.

      The Catholic Answers Forum is an Opus Dei Apostolate tasked with - well - essentially brain-washing a lot pf people who just don't know any better. They used to have a few non-OD priests answering questions, but no longer. I don't know if this site is still active, but you can research here: https://sites.google.com/a/realcatholiconline.org/the-opus-dei-guidebook/

      It's very difficult to understand. Made that way on purpose. It's why our Pope never moved into the Vatican. The place, the Bank, everything is lousy with OD. Way too threatening for one old man.

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    3. I removed your post because this is a hate-free blog. Pejorative terms for groups of people promote hate. I'd also need a link to the thread with the atheists who attacked you to confirm what you said.

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  24. I wasn't banned from CAF, but I've been grilled there so many times over things I never said that I gave up. It's too bad because a couple of threads I started were great and I made some connections. Oh well. Anyway, I did get banned from the Roaming Catholics Facebook page for suggesting there is no theological evidence that one life issue takes precedence over every other life issue...and that quotes from famous popes don't constitute an argument. I guess they couldn't handle the truth.

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  25. The doctrine of the "seamless garment" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consistent_life_ethic) states that respect for life is conception to grave. The garment is seamless, it cannot be divided into pieces, or it is worthless. You cannot make it more important to protect one life more than another.

    The problem with famous Popes is, a lot of them got famous for killing people. Or starving them. Or enslaving them.

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  26. I got suspended from CAF.

    The problem is, it seems they also deleted the group that I started. I searched for it and it's gone. I also got a notification of receiving a message from a member of that group. I think she was going to post, only to find that it's gone.

    Why would they delete the group I started, when it has nothing to do with my profile specifically?

    Because of the suspension, I can't respond to her, nor send a message to the moderators. What am I supposed to do?

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    1. You use a different browser or a different location and sign up as a new user. You post enough for them to allow you to PM, it might take a month. Then you PM the person who tried to contact you. One of the reasons I started this thread, is so people who were banned could find each other.

      CAF is a scary-ass bunch. They go to extremes to make sure no dissenters can form any kind of group which might mean the truth would be heard.

      If you send the person an private email address in a PM< make sure you write it: my email name is BLAHBLAH and I'm at yahoo. If you do it another way a filter will catch it and she or he will never see your email.

      I was thinking of starting a REDDIT forum under the name Banned from Catholic Answers. Maybe it's time.

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    3. Here: https://www.reddit.com/r/bannedfromcaf

      You can tryu posting there and leaving contact info. Or post anything else, including your story there. Or what post or idea got your banned. Or any other thing you want about the Church.

      If you get the link to anyone else on CAF using a new account, CAF will ban anybody who shares it.

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